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January 15, 2010

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Vermont Woodchuck

I wonder if a certain Tom Tusser might have sold them those "green" credits.

He had a knack for saying witty things like: Who quick be to borrow and slow be to pay, their credit is naught, go they ever so gay or a fool and his money are soon parted. Both seem apt for the eco-nuts.

BTW there is a new crisis upon us; Anthropogenic Tectonic Plate Shift (ATPS) and it causes all sorts of troubles in this world. I posted about it yesterday.

James Rude

At least, in what I am sure is an unintended expression of support by the Wilson's, is the belief that the sun is actually responsible for playing a role in warming the planet.

Chris Campion

What the "green" economy participants seem to forget is one of the first of many annoying acronyms to be learned in Econ 101 - TANSTAAFL. Everything has a cost. That transactions occur in carbon-trading schemes is not evidence of anything, other than that some people believe that this makes a difference, and that some people (in this instance, those people hosting the exchange) will always make money.

I'm waiting for the creation of a Greenie Mac that will underwrite the risks in this market so they can be most evenly distributed out to the taxpayers who probably want zero to do with these transactions, but their elected leadership thinks it's best for them, so it must be so.

Vermont Woodchuck

In the Progressive Socialist Paradise, nobody has to pull the wagon. Well, everyone gets to ride on the wagon only when the wagon is going down hill.

Better you break the axles and let everyone wear out their own shoes.

Bill

"My Emissions Exchange?" Sounds raunchy. Where fools with more money than sense do business.

Daniel Foty

Bill,

Note that "My Emissions Exchange" also spells out "My Emission Sex Change."

Probably all we need to know about them....

Matthew Lyons

AMAZING!! So an American family does the most American thing possible, a capitalistic venture, and because it is "green" this free market blog refuses to acknowledge it for what it is. Please explain? I mean if these were widgets produced in China you would be heaping praise on them but because it somehow violates your lack of value re: our environment it is evil.

They have figured out a way to make money and they certainly are not to blame because a "fool and his money are quickly parted".

Daniel Foty

Sigh. Around here, having to explain business/economic basics is like the agony of having to explain the punch line of an obvious joke to the extravagantly obtuse....

The entire reason that this story is hilarious is because it's the exact opposite of "free markets" and "capitalism." It's an ideologically-driven insistence on innumeracy and non-reality.

First, a $58,000 investment to get at $17.20 return? Swampland in Florida is a better deal than that. They'll have to sell A LOT of "carbon credits" to make that a worthwhile investment - and of course the problem is compounded by the "return" being based on what is in reality a phony, non-existent item.

Second, their "investment" (sic) was force-subsidized by unwilling participants (that would be taxpayers like the rest of us, who had our pockets picked to fund this nonsense). If this is a good investment, let THEM pay the whole cost. Forcing this redirection of scarce resources is a big waste.

The last thing is that despite all the subsidies, the participants didn't even put up the balance in cash, but financed it with debt. So they are going to have to fund the cash stream of paying that debt over time. One doubts that the revenue will even cover the financing costs, let alone create any profit at all - and of course those abilities are entirely dependent on vaporous, artificial constructs of no intrinsic value (the "value" (sic) being only temporarily edicted by government).

There are reasonable (real) investments that pay in the 5 - 6% range; if this "investment" (and that applies to both the participants' debt financing AND the subsidy funds that could have been left more profitably elsewhere) can't return that sort of performance, it's a loser.

To reprise the Michael Boskin quote that ended the original piece, "Rabid environmentalists have descended into a separate reality where only green counts." This "investment" only makes "sense" (sic) over in that separate non-reality reality....

G. Cross

Chuckie, don't try riding in a wagon with no shafts, no whippletree and no horse or ox. The rope attached to the axle does not always work well. Tried that back in '49 and ended up with a badly broken collar bone. The hill was a little faster than we all thought. Gosh, maybe the head was also injured, but the docs have missed it all these years.

Vermont Woodchuck

Yeah George, hill are faster. So are trees, diving boards and roofs higher from up there than the ground, but fools still climb up and others have to risk their necks to get them down.

Maybe it's time to let them figure out how to get down by themselves.
http://www.wptz.com/money/22176776/detail.html
Socialism has not worked anywhere it's been tried. All that is offered is the others did it wrong, we'll do it right. Then they look for OPM to get them out of the tree.

No mas, get down on your own! Find your own $150 gazillion clam shells.

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