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Vermont Woodchuck

This subject has gone into the realm of preposterous, taken there by the Gores and the CRU crowd.

what was it, 36-7 years ago we were going to have glaciers in Williston, hurry and spread carbon soot on the ice in the Arctic.

Now we're back to this:
"The mini ice age starts here"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

I'm all in favor of yanking anyone on a soapbox, off it roughly, and lobotomizing them on the spot!

the vermont patriot

Well, it's not too difficult to find a plethora of blowhards throughout the history of this issue, but the fact that is driving this is 10 of the hottest years have occurred since 1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_since_1880, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/index.html. Has anyone tried to see how hot the temperatures are in the Australian desert?

This is GLOBAL warming, not just northern hemisphere weather. CO2 levels have been on a steady rise since they have been recorded starting in the 50's. It doesn't make sense to think that the world's daily consumption of oil (around 70-80 MILLION barrels a day) is not going to influence our world.

Also, more heat in the southern hemisphere is more significant than more cold in Europe because of the heat carrying capacity of water compared to land mass. It is the average temperatures of the oceans that are more significant than any weather event, either hot, cold or wet.

This concentration of heat in the worlds oceans is going to create convulsive reactions to global events: hurricanes will be stronger, heat waves will be hotter and last longer, and winter snows will be bigger (sometimes!). There really is no predicting what one weather season is going to look like in any specific area. Our input of CO2 is only increasing and we are only at the very beginning of this process. There are going to be severe variations all over the planet, but the net result will be a global increase in temperature (otherwise known as Global Warming).

Keep looking at real data. Ocean temperatures are important to monitor but also the status of our global ice. I've never heard anyone argue that the disappearance of our global ice (from the north pole to the south pole to our mountaintop glaciers) is a sign of global cooling!

Frankly, you only need to look at average GLOBAL temperatures and the status of our ice sheets to determine whether or not GLOBAL warming is real. And there really is only one correct answer. Now, was I hyperventilating?

Daniel Foty

Hyperventilating? Yes, your self-diagnosis is absolutely correct.

As noted in the post, all we get as "feedback" nowadays from the other side is the regurgitation of pre-provided talking points. It's bad enough that it's just the passing-through of propaganda - the additional problem is that the talking points have been discredited, yet those passing them on are unable (or unwilling) to face up to that changed landscape.

The notion that the last ten years were "the hottest on record" long ago was tossed out the window, the extent of Arctic sea ice is growing, and by the measures that even the propagandists have been pushing, the past ten years have seen at best a plateau but more likely a notable cooling trend.

As I noted sometime back, even before the CRU whistleblower blew the lid off the nonsense behind this whole thing, the warming crowd was already becoming frustrated by the failure of nature to warm up as they expected (and desired), as this clearly frustrated piece in the (decidedly leftist) German publication Der Spiegel makes clear:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

The methods used to "hide the decline" couldn't even do that any longer.

It's hot in the Australian desert? It's summer down there. And we're back to the problem noted in the post - that any warm spell anywhere is PROOF.... while a siege of winter weather all around the northern hemisphere is dismissible. I fearlessly predict that over the next several months the northern hemisphere will warm while the southern hemisphere cools.

As for this: "It doesn't make sense to think that the world's daily consumption of oil (around 70-80 MILLION barrels a day) is not going to influence our world." This isn't a scientific statement - it's a disembodied belief system. It's funny how years back you could find statements along the lines of "It doesn't make sense to think that we can put all these satellites in orbit and not affect the weather." Science is about establishing scales, and quantitatively linking cause and effect; it is not about beginning with belief systems because they sound good.

I could go on for a long time here, but this is like reviewing a paper for a peer-reviewed (!!) journal - the good ones are easy to do and require a short review, while the bad ones require a great deal of work and a long write-up.

But I'll close with this: "Frankly, you only need to look at average GLOBAL temperatures and the status of our ice sheets to determine whether or not GLOBAL warming is real. And there really is only one correct answer."

I fully agree. And all of the real evidence now makes the answer clear. There is no "climate crisis." Period.

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