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August 17, 2009

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Ed G. Mann

The State Bird is the ostrich?
All this time I thought it was Big Bird!

Matthew Lyons

Just curious to know when you are running your update on GMCR? I would think you would find it critically important to inform your readers that they have zero plans to move out of state and are in fact committed to staying here.

This is good news right?

Paul

Can anyone blame Woodstock? Williston sacrificed it's quaint little villaqe to build a tax base near the interstate exit. What happened? Vermont changed the rules of the game and declared Williston a "gold town". Now much of the extra taxes flow to the State.
Under the present rules, if I was a voter in Woodstock I would have the same attitude.

GreggB

Woohoo Vermont 'still' has GMCR crank up the taxes man.
VT doesn't have the capacity to take on these continued abuses from within. Step outside for awhile them go back and look, the paint is starting to peel and the boomers don't have enough of that money earned elsewhere, left to repaint. It is starting to dumpy again up there, 1980's dumpy, enjoy.

Paul

I think what GMCR is saying is that the administrative offices will stay in Vermont, but we are seeing that production faciities are being built elsewhere

Vermont Woodchuck

It shouldn't be too hard to find what Vermont gets in taxes from GMCR. Subtract a buck and a half per year for two years. That's the first cost. Any layoffs, transfers cut into the income tax and unemployment collections.

What does the state do after that. What does the state do with the NEXT company that asks? The one after that? Somebody is going to ask, you know they will, wouldn't you?

It's not will, it's when!

Is Vermont in the business of buying loyalty?
That's a losing game for there are states with deeper tax pockets than L'il Ole Vermont.

G. Cross

Is there a reader of this site who has a reasonably good handle on the businesses that come to Vermont or stay in Vermont who might be able to enlighten a few folks here about the fact that not everyone is running away from these green mountains? Or is this site only read by the anti-Vermont forces and few crazies like me?

Matthew Lyons

I think what GMCR is saying is that the administrative offices will stay in Vermont, but we are seeing that production facilities are being built elsewhere.

Well DUH. But that was the whole point of the scare tactics in the first place. The statement Douglas made and this site reiterated was that there admin offices were leaving.

NO ONE ever stated that opening new production facilities was the problem. As GMCR expands into new markets of course they open facilities elsewhere. This keep distribution cost down and allows for a broader more efficient expansion.

The preceeding statements really should enlighten all readers to how absurd this web site is. You can't even acknowledge one wrong choosing instead to go back immediately to your tired talking points.

Typical Douglas supporters. Its all negative and even when good things happen you continue to choose to highlight the negative opposed to applauding the positive.

Now who does that sound like? Oh, right, I remember now. It sounds exactly like the way Rush Limbaugh described anti-war protesters that were upset when the war effort in Iraq went well.

I guess the saying is true. what's good for the goose.....

Tom Licata

"Is there a reader of this site who has a reasonably good handle on the businesses that come to Vermont or stay in Vermont who might be able to enlighten a few folks here about the fact that not everyone is running away from these green mountains?"

G. Cross, here's some "enlightenment":
http://www.vteh.org/content/slideshow

Go to slides 17 & 18 to see the 3,500+ jobs lost since 2007.

These slides SPECIFICALLY list the 50+ companies that have left or folded in Vermont.

It's not a pretty picture and worse, these slides haven't been updated in awhile.

Vermont's private-sector job growth going into this recession? 0%.

How will Vermont pay for its estimated $400 million budget shortfall through 2012?

It's not about "anti-Vermont forces and few crazies..." It's about realism and the social and economic disaster which Vermont is on the cusp of. Not unlike that of California.

Tom Licata

In my preceding post, it should read "These slides SPECIFICALLY list the 50+ companies that have left, folded or have down-sized in Vermont."

Tom Licata

"The preceding statements really should enlighten all readers to how absurd this web site is...

Typical Douglas supporters. Its all negative and even when good things happen you continue to choose to highlight the negative opposed to applauding the positive."

Matthew, "Absurd" is defined as follows: "Inconsistent with reason or logic or common sense."

It is you, calling this web site "absurd" which is absurd.

Most objective readers of this site would have to acknowledge its observance to free-market economic principles; which are hardly "inconsistent with reason or logic or common sense." Some of the comments may be "absurd" though, they may be appropriate and intended sarcasm, as well.

"Applauding the positive" in that a company that is already here and continues to do so after threatening to leave is - kind of - 'dumbing down' the definition of "positive."

This "Vermont in Decline" article speaks to the failed "political economy" which our Legislature continues to pursue, despite its continued failure. This web site speaks to an alternative, that is, the free-market economy and its principles.

There is no doubt in my mind that this Legislature is taking this state into some very turbulent waters in the near future. Not unlike that of California. I said so, as well, in my testimony to the Ways and Means Committee in April.

It won't be pretty.

Vermont Tiger offers reasonable solutions.

GreggB

Matthew, the Tiger hasn't beat him up much lately but you should search the Tiger for articles on Douglas. Douglas treatment here has been quite harsh. It is telling that VT's left thinks Douglas some evil right wing agent of doom and everyone else thinks he is a progressive in a republican robe.

Vermont Woodchuck

Tom, Ed, Gregg, Paul, et. al. Douglas lost the 2010 election. Mr. Lyons won and he has the same Legislature.

Mr. Lyons, go ahead, please tell us how you are going to get the state out of the fiscal hole, stabilize the job loses and increase business hiring. You have a Legislature that will work with you, so there is no reason for political conflict.

I don't expect it done in one year but you really need to put a dent in the troubles quickly, simply because money problems compound rapidly.

I look forward to your essay.

Chris Campion

Tom, thanks for that link. I've been posting the VT Dept. of Labor stats for a year and half now - there's no bias in the reporting of what the state is recording in terms of net job losses or gains. The only sector currently showing growth in a recession is the government sector, and those jobs are funded by taxes and borrowing - not exactly what's generally understood to be wealth-creating jobs.

One can only point to what's floating in the punchbowl so many times. After that, it's up for people themselves to decide whether or not they agree with your observations.

Tom Licata

Thank you Chris. I agree with your punch bowl analogy.

We have reached the "Tipping Point" in Vermont.

Tipping points are "the levels at which the momentum for change becomes unstoppable; as a sociological term: "the moment of critical mass, the threshold, the boiling point."

In Vermont, the narrative has been written.

The actors in Montpelier have their respective scripts and will play out their roles.

As well, Vermont's "group think" media, special interests and intelligentsia complete the cast; as they know and will play out their supporting roles in what will be a very painful chapter for many Vermonters.

As they say, you get the government you deserve.


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