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Tom

Don't forget trucking subsidies - trucks don't pay relative to the damage they do to roads.

And 'conventional' energy sources get subsidized at a much greater rate then 'green' ones. See here:
http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/Subsidy.pdf

george kuusela

re-subsidies unbound. i always thought amtrack should be able to sustain itself or go under. i was then told that Vermont owns all the tracks within the state and it is the amtrak subsidies that pay for the rail upkeep as freight gets no subsidies. is this a catch 22 or should freight and the state be able to pay their own way?

Dennis Lukas

Great picture of affordable housing!

Ron

Good article, Geoffrey.

Tom: you need to use more precise language. Total subsidies to fossil fuels may have been larger in absolute terms, but the RATES of subsidization (conveniently not mentioned in the AWEA document) are much higher for renewable energy.

greenmtnpunter

State of VT owns most of the rail lines but not all. The NECR- former Central VT Railway- running from MA border-Bratt- WRJ- Montpelier Jct- Essex Jct- St Albans- Alburg, plus a couple of branch lines, is still owned by Canadian National and is Amtrak's Vermonter route. And, yes, Amtrak is subsidizing much of the track repair on this line to keep it up to the 59 mph Amtrak minimum.

CN, the former CA government owned railroad, went public back in the '90's, has been quietly acquiring American railroads since, and is now # 4 in North American freight traffic. What bugs me about the Vermonter is that the former "Montrealer/Washingtonian" no longer goes into Montreal. The excuse is that the Canadian
labor unions charge too much to run the train from the border into Montreal.

Meanwhile, CN is sending high volumes of overhead freight south via the NECR. So, where is the quid pro quo? Instead of State of VT subsidizing the Amtrak route in Vermont, why aren't the Feds doing it? And/or the Canadian government? The "Montrealer" was once a very popular train and could be again if it went into Montreal- who knows, perhaps it could become profitable if it goes someplace people want to go?

Christopher Parker

I suppose mentioning Amtrak quickly brings up transportation subsidies in general (the rural air program for flights to Rutland, for example, or the public aid to the Burlington airport and of course all the money spent on state highways and the huge amount of property taxes spent on local roads).

I agree with you - lets get rid of transportation subsidies. Let's make the trucks pay their full way so freight railroads can be competitive paying their way too. Lets up the gas tax (or find another method) to cover the true cost of driving.

Until we do this, each form of transportation must fight it out for it's share in the pie.

Which just proves your point about how hard it is getting rid of subsidies.

Because until we do get rid of road and air subsidies, Amtrak advocates will hold onto theirs.

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